Hi all, I read in one of the articles on intention that placing a healing intention on a sick person and then finding that your healing has not worked is due to Natures intention on that person being stronger, and that competing against Natures intention to make that person ill and eventually die is a 'no win situation' (my words there).
My question really is how this relates to self-healing for someone that is on a similar path to people here. If one has an illness/condition and one is using both intention and recapping to cure it, then how would they know whether there is a chance against natures intention for this illness, or does Natures intention relate more to people who are not on this path?
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Just reread my topic and it confuses even myself!
'...if you intend to heal someone and yet they aren't healed, but get worse and die, you were intending an outcome against nature itself. You won't win those, generally speaking...'
The above quote from the article on competing intentions.
Basicly Im asking is how do we counteract natures intention on an illness?
'...if you intend to heal someone and yet they aren't healed, but get worse and die, you were intending an outcome against nature itself. You won't win those, generally speaking...'
The above quote from the article on competing intentions.
Basicly Im asking is how do we counteract natures intention on an illness?
Hi,
Maybe I'm getting a bit over my head with this one but I'll try to answer anyway. Healing is not that simple, there's a lot more going on than simply intending someone get well. To be really effective you need to see where the illness is coming from, what circumstances did bring it on and how the opening got there in the person's energy and what's going on with the disease and where things are going. When you see all that, you can also look at what needs to be done, what energy needs to be moved to make healing possible for the person. A lot of the time we get sick because of emotional reasons. While there is the intent(s) for the sickness, there's also the body's intent to heal and survive. Sometimes things go too far or people simply get too old and nothing can be done anymore. We all die sooner or later and when the time has come it has come and you can't change that, that's a battle you will loose. Many people die before their time has really come in that sense though, and those people can be healed, if they want to heal that is. Sometimes they don't even if they say they do and they are beyond help unless you can help them change that - it can be difficult because it probably needs them to face themselves on pretty deep levels and people don't like to do that.
That's my present understanding of healing in a nutshell, I hope you get something out of it and I'm not totally beside the point of your question...
Kai
Maybe I'm getting a bit over my head with this one but I'll try to answer anyway. Healing is not that simple, there's a lot more going on than simply intending someone get well. To be really effective you need to see where the illness is coming from, what circumstances did bring it on and how the opening got there in the person's energy and what's going on with the disease and where things are going. When you see all that, you can also look at what needs to be done, what energy needs to be moved to make healing possible for the person. A lot of the time we get sick because of emotional reasons. While there is the intent(s) for the sickness, there's also the body's intent to heal and survive. Sometimes things go too far or people simply get too old and nothing can be done anymore. We all die sooner or later and when the time has come it has come and you can't change that, that's a battle you will loose. Many people die before their time has really come in that sense though, and those people can be healed, if they want to heal that is. Sometimes they don't even if they say they do and they are beyond help unless you can help them change that - it can be difficult because it probably needs them to face themselves on pretty deep levels and people don't like to do that.
That's my present understanding of healing in a nutshell, I hope you get something out of it and I'm not totally beside the point of your question...
Kai
That's what I would have said, too, Kai.
One of my first healing teachers taught that death was one of the healings from illness. The afflictions of the body (generally speaking) fall away. In any case, we were taught to accept that as a possible outcome.
Thanks Kai and others. Much appreciated.
In my experience, if the person isn't receptive, it will do little or no good.
And even if they are receptive, sometimes it just doesn't work.
And even if they are receptive, sometimes it just doesn't work.
Well, all of the posts are right. Oh....and I am a healer.
This is pretty much how I see it too. I also look at it as...there are 3 things we can be sure of...we are Born...we Live ..and...We die. Sometimes you are told by a "wee" voice to Leave it Alone..you do.
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Maybe I'm getting a bit over my head with this one but I'll try to answer anyway. Healing is not that simple, there's a lot more going on than simply intending someone get well. To be really effective you need to see where the illness is coming from, what circumstances did bring it on and how the opening got there in the person's energy and what's going on with the disease and where things are going. When you see all that, you can also look at what needs to be done, what energy needs to be moved to make healing possible for the person. A lot of the time we get sick because of emotional reasons. While there is the intent(s) for the sickness, there's also the body's intent to heal and survive. Sometimes things go too far or people simply get too old and nothing can be done anymore. We all die sooner or later and when the time has come it has come and you can't change that, that's a battle you will loose. Many people die before their time has really come in that sense though, and those people can be healed, if they want to heal that is. Sometimes they don't even if they say they do and they are beyond help unless you can help them change that - it can be difficult because it probably needs them to face themselves on pretty deep levels and people don't like to do that.
This is pretty much how I see it too. I also look at it as...there are 3 things we can be sure of...we are Born...we Live ..and...We die. Sometimes you are told by a "wee" voice to Leave it Alone..you do.
Im a Registered Spiritual Healer and Reiki Master, I also have knowledge of some other Systems, plus Ive been on this Path for a while!
What to do when the healing isnt working and why? I think is the general question?
personally if I cant make a difference in 6 sessions, then the Client needs something else, obviously the Doctor should always be involved with anything serious!
There can be lots of reasons the Healing Energy isnt taking, mainly it needs more than that, this could mean deep rooted Emotional Issues, meaning intense Counselling (or an Operation in serious illness).
It could also mean the Client isnt ready to give up their illness, many people use their illness as a crutch, in some cases they feel their illness is the most interesting aspect of themselves. It gets them the attention they crave.
We have all met Professional Victims, im sure!
Natures natural intent is to rebalance what is out of balance, this sometimes means the survival of the fittest, as in its time for the person to move on, into the next life, this can be when Death is the best Healer, but this is usually only in the very old and the terminally ill! If this is the case there is little you can do but ease the passing.
In the case of someone on a Shamanic Initiation, it is something they have to go through; we all got here through intense suffering and pain, the Wounded Healer. They need to die to their past and be reborn, slightly different!
This doesnt mean they cant seek help from others, indeed they should as this can lead them in different directions to!
Plus due to the nature of the Shamanic Tradition, it is always wise to check you are not just experiencing some form of Mental Health, as we all know things do get a bit barking at times!
I hope that helped!
What to do when the healing isnt working and why? I think is the general question?
personally if I cant make a difference in 6 sessions, then the Client needs something else, obviously the Doctor should always be involved with anything serious!
There can be lots of reasons the Healing Energy isnt taking, mainly it needs more than that, this could mean deep rooted Emotional Issues, meaning intense Counselling (or an Operation in serious illness).
It could also mean the Client isnt ready to give up their illness, many people use their illness as a crutch, in some cases they feel their illness is the most interesting aspect of themselves. It gets them the attention they crave.
We have all met Professional Victims, im sure!
Natures natural intent is to rebalance what is out of balance, this sometimes means the survival of the fittest, as in its time for the person to move on, into the next life, this can be when Death is the best Healer, but this is usually only in the very old and the terminally ill! If this is the case there is little you can do but ease the passing.
In the case of someone on a Shamanic Initiation, it is something they have to go through; we all got here through intense suffering and pain, the Wounded Healer. They need to die to their past and be reborn, slightly different!
This doesnt mean they cant seek help from others, indeed they should as this can lead them in different directions to!
Plus due to the nature of the Shamanic Tradition, it is always wise to check you are not just experiencing some form of Mental Health, as we all know things do get a bit barking at times!
I hope that helped!
CornishShaman gives good advice...and these are things you run into as a Healer.
I do energy healing too..which involves hands on as well as remote healing.
And, yes, sometimes you do run into people who wear their "sickness" like a security blanket..and resist all attempts to feel better..thru what a healer does, any holistic method..and any medical method as well. Most often these are hyochondriacs. Psychologically, they may have Borderline Personality Disorders.
It is also wise, before proceeding with any alternative medicine/healing to be medically checked out beforehand, and to keep your physican up-to-date on any herbal medications you plan to take along with your prescription medications.
Sometimes, as said, Death is the best healer. When my late husband was dying (some months after a liver transplant), I walked over to his hospital bed (I stayed with him 24/7) and prepared to try to heal him. I heard this distinct voice in my mind...not to interfere..so I did not. Now, in the past, I had healed him of back pain and a few other problems..but this time, was basically told it was not in the grand scheme to things. Clinically, since I am a nurse, I knew it would not be long. Subsequently, we took him down for a cardiac ultrasound..and when I watched his poor little heart struggling, I gave him 20 minutes...he lived about 45 minutes more. That night, he came to visit me..and was strong and in robust health..and felt better than he had in his last 3 years. I guess I am thinking about him since our wedding anniversary is in a week.
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Like has been said, it is always wise for shamanic practitioners and healers to keep abreast of their own physical and mental conditions..since ultimately..it is hard for a healer to heal themselves...can be done tho..but we appreciate hep too, at times.
I do energy healing too..which involves hands on as well as remote healing.
And, yes, sometimes you do run into people who wear their "sickness" like a security blanket..and resist all attempts to feel better..thru what a healer does, any holistic method..and any medical method as well. Most often these are hyochondriacs. Psychologically, they may have Borderline Personality Disorders.
It is also wise, before proceeding with any alternative medicine/healing to be medically checked out beforehand, and to keep your physican up-to-date on any herbal medications you plan to take along with your prescription medications.
Sometimes, as said, Death is the best healer. When my late husband was dying (some months after a liver transplant), I walked over to his hospital bed (I stayed with him 24/7) and prepared to try to heal him. I heard this distinct voice in my mind...not to interfere..so I did not. Now, in the past, I had healed him of back pain and a few other problems..but this time, was basically told it was not in the grand scheme to things. Clinically, since I am a nurse, I knew it would not be long. Subsequently, we took him down for a cardiac ultrasound..and when I watched his poor little heart struggling, I gave him 20 minutes...he lived about 45 minutes more. That night, he came to visit me..and was strong and in robust health..and felt better than he had in his last 3 years. I guess I am thinking about him since our wedding anniversary is in a week.
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In the case of someone on a Shamanic Initiation,
This needs to be gone thru, as in a NDE or similiar. This is a very profound, life-changing experience..as I'm sure most of us know.Like has been said, it is always wise for shamanic practitioners and healers to keep abreast of their own physical and mental conditions..since ultimately..it is hard for a healer to heal themselves...can be done tho..but we appreciate hep too, at times.
Strange isn't it, one of the first things we learn when walking this path is that it IS possible to heal others.
Then comes the awful truth that we can't heal all others.
Sometimes the attempted healing causes us to hold someone to this existence, prolonging their pain or by healing one thing allow another more unpleasant one to take over.
comfort, reassure,
extra time,
but not heal.
Never heal.
Soothe pain, banish fear.
say goodbye,
But not heal
Never heal.
Listen, drying tears,
to the end,
but never heal
Never heal.
© Greywolf 2008
The problem with 'healing' those that are leaving is that we create a tie, we can have part of us dragged with them as they go.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't try to heal. Far from it. What I am saying is that there comes a time when we must recognise that we can do no more and we need to "Get the hell out of Dodge". We need to refocus from healing to care.
Care is as much our remit as healing, walking the worlds and probably a great deal more so than banging seven kinds out of a drum chanting LOL
Greywolf
P.S. I'm also a Level II Reiki healer
Then comes the awful truth that we can't heal all others.
Sometimes the attempted healing causes us to hold someone to this existence, prolonging their pain or by healing one thing allow another more unpleasant one to take over.
comfort, reassure,
extra time,
but not heal.
Never heal.
Soothe pain, banish fear.
say goodbye,
But not heal
Never heal.
Listen, drying tears,
to the end,
but never heal
Never heal.
© Greywolf 2008
The problem with 'healing' those that are leaving is that we create a tie, we can have part of us dragged with them as they go.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't try to heal. Far from it. What I am saying is that there comes a time when we must recognise that we can do no more and we need to "Get the hell out of Dodge". We need to refocus from healing to care.
Care is as much our remit as healing, walking the worlds and probably a great deal more so than banging seven kinds out of a drum chanting LOL
Greywolf
P.S. I'm also a Level II Reiki healer
QUOTE (Greywolf @ Aug 26 2008, 04:18 PM) 
Strange isn't it, one of the first things we learn when walking this path is that it IS possible to heal others.
Then comes the awful truth that we can't heal all others.
Sometimes the attempted healing causes us to hold someone to this existence, prolonging their pain or by healing one thing allow another more unpleasant one to take over.
comfort, reassure,
extra time,
but not heal.
Never heal.
Soothe pain, banish fear.
say goodbye,
But not heal
Never heal.
Listen, drying tears,
to the end,
but never heal
Never heal.
© Greywolf 2008
The problem with 'healing' those that are leaving is that we create a tie, we can have part of us dragged with them as they go.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't try to heal. Far from it. What I am saying is that there comes a time when we must recognise that we can do no more and we need to "Get the hell out of Dodge". We need to refocus from healing to care.
Care is as much our remit as healing, walking the worlds and probably a great deal more so than banging seven kinds out of a drum chanting LOL
Greywolf
P.S. I'm also a Level II Reiki healer
Then comes the awful truth that we can't heal all others.
Sometimes the attempted healing causes us to hold someone to this existence, prolonging their pain or by healing one thing allow another more unpleasant one to take over.
comfort, reassure,
extra time,
but not heal.
Never heal.
Soothe pain, banish fear.
say goodbye,
But not heal
Never heal.
Listen, drying tears,
to the end,
but never heal
Never heal.
© Greywolf 2008
The problem with 'healing' those that are leaving is that we create a tie, we can have part of us dragged with them as they go.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't try to heal. Far from it. What I am saying is that there comes a time when we must recognise that we can do no more and we need to "Get the hell out of Dodge". We need to refocus from healing to care.
Care is as much our remit as healing, walking the worlds and probably a great deal more so than banging seven kinds out of a drum chanting LOL
Greywolf
P.S. I'm also a Level II Reiki healer
Greywolf in my opinion speaks wise words here. Encumbant upon anyone with a warrior mentality that is blended with shamanism, or with anything really, is this principle. That when you attack something (like disease or sickness) even bad things--you must consider not only what you kill, but also what you let live. In other words, while healing can be the right thing and a good thing to do at times, the shaman must also respect the balance of energy. And if a person is bent on carrying some negative energy, and you heal one affliction, they may replace it with something else--maybe even something worse.
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