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Hello. I always hear about people having amazing journeys but I don't seem to be able to do much at all. I put on the drumming music, try visualizing things, and really nothing happens. I have interesting visualization experiences, but it's not like I'm actually seeing anything, and whenever I hear other people talk about their experiences, they always see and often hear things. I've tried many times and I've made it part of my regiment "try to have a journey today". I have actually seen things with my eyes closed before, but it's always been without trying to, and as soon as I try, it doesn't happen. I've meditated and seen images of gods and spirits before for split seconds, and then was bewildered because that actually was like physically seeing something, so I know it's possible, but with journeying I'm just not getting anything like physical images, or even like vague sensations. I've also tried shamanic journeying to non-shamanic journey music (as in, classical music that generally doesn't even have much of a drum beat) just to see what happens, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work even if I were doing it right. Are there any tricks that aren't on the Internet or in popular books that I should know about? Thanks!

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Sometimes you need to try something different. Different people respond to different things. :)

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Karl

From what I read, your focus is on trying to journey. I believe it is just a simple shift from focus to un focus perhaps? Feel the drum, use images to get yourself started, like a star bursting in to light...relax, breathe and let go. Sometimes i feel if I try too hard, it becomes a strain to try to find that place where I can just see, but if I just FEEL, it happens naturally. Good luck to you.

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A couple of things. 1. Trying. Don't try. Trying sets up an expectation that something must happen and then a fear of failure creeps in and you end up sabotaging it before you begin. Go with the "lets see what happens" attitude and then just allow whatever. If something happens great, if nothing happens also great. Very much a case of 'trying too hard'.

 

2. Not everyone experiences through sight. We have 6 main senses, 5 are the physical ones. Some people hear things, some taste them and some get physical sensations of what is happening. All are valid. None are more special or better than any other.

 

As with everything, journeying is about you and your experience. You need to build up a strong sense of faith in how it works for you, trust me, even if 100 people all have sight as the main way to experience a journey, there will be 100 different ways it is done. For me, I often hear or feel things then my mind fills in vision for me, but vision isn't necessarily my strongest sense when it comes to anything not physical world.

 

Set yourself a time to explore and allow the spirits or the experience or guides (whatever term feels best) to take the lead. Allow it to unfold for you and see what happens, don't try to control it at all. You may experience nothing and then later on thoughts and feelings come to you. It may be you have a feeling for a fraction of a second but ignore it. Take note and allow things to come and go at their own direction. Keep a journal and look back after a month or so and see what happens.

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A couple of things. 1. Trying. Don't try. Trying sets up an expectation that something must happen and then a fear of failure creeps in and you end up sabotaging it before you begin. Go with the "lets see what happens" attitude and then just allow whatever. If something happens great, if nothing happens also great. Very much a case of 'trying too hard'.

 

2. Not everyone experiences through sight. We have 6 main senses, 5 are the physical ones. Some people hear things, some taste them and some get physical sensations of what is happening. All are valid. None are more special or better than any other.

 

As with everything, journeying is about you and your experience. You need to build up a strong sense of faith in how it works for you, trust me, even if 100 people all have sight as the main way to experience a journey, there will be 100 different ways it is done. For me, I often hear or feel things then my mind fills in vision for me, but vision isn't necessarily my strongest sense when it comes to anything not physical world.

 

Set yourself a time to explore and allow the spirits or the experience or guides (whatever term feels best) to take the lead. Allow it to unfold for you and see what happens, don't try to control it at all. You may experience nothing and then later on thoughts and feelings come to you. It may be you have a feeling for a fraction of a second but ignore it. Take note and allow things to come and go at their own direction. Keep a journal and look back after a month or so and see what happens.

OK, thanks. I think I've been making progress now because I saw a tunnel and lights a bit for a really short amount of time on my last couple of attempts. I'm guessing maybe this is a skill that has to be learned and most of the people who can do it the first time have a teacher with them.

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Phonix,

 

I too, once was unable to make journeys. It took me quite some time. It is hard when you first start out, however it will become easier. All of the advice you have received is rather soild.

 

None of us are the same, in this. I for one only recently started using a (small )drum. Which seems to be much of a supreme to many. In fact, most my journeys are done while I am dancing.

 

While I don't know your heritage, if you can find a means to be closer to some of there traditional meetings it may help also.

 

If you are unable, a means that was taught to me was to invison a road, every little detail. How it feels,looks,smells tastes, as you walk down it in you mind. Walk with no purpose at first until it comes naturally, then set a course.

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Hi all I'm new here and just thought I would add my experience to this. I tend to journey mostly in my dreams but it's more then a dream things tend to be more vivid and detailed then my regular dreams. I have also been told by several people that I was seen by them when they know that I'm really someplace else this tends to happen to me when I'm awake and completely unfocused just letting my mind drift. When this happens though I don't seem to "see" anything it's just a projection of my body that others see that I've sent off.

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Hi KAF,

 

It sounds like your dreaming body is pretty active, not just when you are asleep. It is possible though for you to see and be split in two places (and even have interactions) when this happens, it's a matter of training your dreaming attention, right now you have your focus trained to be on your physical body.

 

Lorrie

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Which is funny because I don't sleep much and when I do It is usually interrupted sleep. When I was younger I would sleep for between 6-8 hours but not anymore it's more like 2-4 hours of sleep.

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Hi KAF,

 

Disrupted sleep is actually an indicator of an active dreaming side. I can see you definitely have a pretty cohesive dreaming body. Enjoy it: dreamers tend to have a lot of extraordinary adventures.

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Hi KAF,

Enjoy it: dreamers tend to have a lot of extraordinary adventures.

 

And that I do have.

 

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