Phönix

OK, thanks. I think I've been making progress now because I saw a tunnel and lights a bit for a really short amount of time on my last couple of attempts. I'm guessing maybe this is a skill that has to be learned and most of the people who can do it the first time have a teacher with them.

Hello. I always hear about people having amazing journeys but I don't seem to be able to do much at all. I put on the drumming music, try visualizing things, and really nothing happens. I have interesting visualization experiences, but it's not like I'm actually seeing anything, and whenever I hear other people talk about their experiences, they always see and often hear things. I've tried many times and I've made it part of my regiment "try to have a journey today". I have actually seen things with my eyes closed before, but it's always been without trying to, and as soon as I try, it doesn't happen. I've meditated and seen images of gods and spirits before for split seconds, and then was bewildered because that actually was like physically seeing something, so I know it's possible, but with journeying I'm just not getting anything like physical images, or even like vague sensations. I've also tried shamanic journeying to non-shamanic journey music (as in, classical music that generally doesn't even have much of a drum beat) just to see what happens, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work even if I were doing it right. Are there any tricks that aren't on the Internet or in popular books that I should know about? Thanks!