Hi maker pioneers -- here's a thread for us to share our insights from tonight's journey to the holler as well as thoughts and ideas for the Dive. I'll jump in with some thoughts but wanted to get this started for anyone who felt compelled to share quickly! 

 

jess

Well, that was a blast tonight and I'm super pumped about what's to come. I'll share my reflections from the journey as well as my initial questions. 

Journey Insights:

• Agreed with @Jean's comments how interesting it was that some of us went inside (like me and @MaikoM!) and some of us were exploring outside. 
• The cabin felt super cozy to me. Warm, inviting, though the outside didn't communicate as much. Once you stepped inside you were almost immediately in the kitchen which seemed to have some kind of shelf/column right smack in the middle which had the effect of dividing the room further. Beyond the kitcheny area were other rooms i didn't yet explore. The hallway was dark and it felt colder back there. 
• In the kitcheny area, there was a cast iron and enamel pot burbling on the stove with a bunch of bright leaves. They were probably 4-5 inches long, maybe an inch or .75 of an inch (sorry metric folks lol) and quite green. @cheri you learned there was boneset? Interesting. Could have been comfrey like @silenceseeker mentioned or boneset, I'm not sure! 
• If you're standing at the stove, then your back would be to another part of the kitchen, some countertops and a shelf installed on the wall with a handful of well worn books. One that stood out to me was red fabric covered and tattered. Didn't look at it because I was trying to figure out where everyone was. No one leaves a pot boiling unattended for too long (or maybe they do?) but then @MatthewH's insight about the women in the mist made me wonder if they had raced outside. 
• I tried to explore a bit outside but kept being drawn inside. When I did get outside, I encountered the horseshoe-slingshot markers, close the ground, right outside the forest. Good to know that's a warning sign and to gain agreement.
• Outside, I saw evidence of many people. A tree stump with an ax in it. An old coat, slung carelessly over some broken down equipment. Slats of rusted metal strewn about. 

 

Cave Dive Questions: 

I took the model I shared in the other forum and came up with five potential topics with some guiding questions. #6 is tbd, lol. I mentioned in the chat that my energy was more directed towards asking questions versus coming up with an approach to answer. Please share your thoughts, especially if it sparks new ideas! And if anyone would like to take the lead on a particular dive week, I'll mark you down for it. 

Also, for those interested, here's the link to the article I found about the connection between the Appalachian Mountains and the Scottish Highlands. I found this particularly relevant given the maker connection with European lineage: https://vividmaps.medium.com/the-scottish-highlands-the-appalachians-and-the-atlas-are-the-same-mountain-range-once-connected-5e5faaef6d48

Topic:Appalachian Granny Witch herbal history and practices to look for maker connections and maybe find someone who can do a talk with us when we are ready( 7.59%) 

Cave Dive Theme: Appalachian Granny Witch Herbal History / Maker Connections
Lead Facilitator: Jess
Timeline: 12 weeks, starting ?? Align with classes, offset a bit?
Cadence: 6 mini-dives during the 12-week period to be shared at the beginning of each two week period and followed by an intentional sharing (or other conclusion depending on the exercise

• Mini dive 1: Connections - who were/are the Granny witches? Is there (where is the) maker thread?
  • Geographic: “The Scottish Highlands, the Appalachians, and the Atlas are the same mountain range, once connected as the Central Pangean Mountains.” (Source)
  • Historic: …
  • Traditions: ...
  • Key Question: What’s the maker thread here?
• Mini dive 2: Herbal traditions - how did/do they work with plants and for what uses? 
  • What plants did they use? 
  • For what purpose?
  • Key Question: What’s the maker thread here?
• Mini dive 3: Healing traditions - what was/is their special sauce?
  • What were common ailments they treated? 
  • How did they approach healing?
  • How did they heal ailments that were “of the time” (i.e., ailments that were a result of circumstance on a broad scale, not dissimilar to how many people today have nervous system dysregulation, high blood pressure, etc.)? How might that work be aligned with a maker approach to healing?
  • Key Question: What’s the maker thread here?
• Mini dive 4: Engaging with plants - how did/do they do it? 
  • What were their top plants? Why do you think this was so? 
  • What plants in your area align with maker energy and 
  • American Ginseng (‘seng) has some serious intent. What’s the deal here?
  • Key Question: What’s the maker thread here?
• Mini dive 5: Grow your own - what did/do they grow? What was/is their relationship with the earth and plants? 
  • How did they connect with plants? 
  • How did the plants connect with them?
  • Key Question: What’s the maker thread here?
• Mini dive 6: ...
  • ...
  • Key Question: What’s the maker thread here?

Thank you Jess. Well today's exploration brought me home somehow it reminds a lot of my childhood. Anyway, the granny greeted me with oh I've been waiting for you, then she just show her palm and it lights up, I saw wide leaves and it brings me to bushes where I saw a particular seed that based on my 'knowing' it cures cancer because it 'heal' some deep emotional imprint...still looking in the internet those kinds of plants and the seed, I don't know the name.

Exploring the place made me realized how the word poverty is very racist kind of word, we equate the word with lack of material things but truly those people are rich, I can see how they can summon the earth to give them something they need, its a place of power, the earth is magical. It seems that whatever they intent the plant will just sprout of its own...and for that we need I think a good soil, not just soil.. something that we can summon our own intent.

that's just my two cents

 

 

 

Some notes on my experience:

A woman and a man pervade the space on an ongoing basis, but I'm not sure the man is alive, still. As soon as I got there, I was being shown how to skin squirrels for stew. I gathered she was 'known' for squirrel stew, and when she did community work, folks would bring by squirrels as barter. She explained the importance of skinning the squirrels almost immediately after they die, because it's much easier to get the skin off. "They need to be warm from the inside out, it doesn't work if you try to warm them up from the outside in." She seemed to not have the heart to express her exasperation when folks bring cold, dead squirrels to her, even though it's much more work and energy to skin them. 

Then she showed me a couple of cough remedies that she liked. A wild cherry cough syrup made from the inside bark of the tree (inside is important, apparently) and then also a syrup made from the hard blobs of pine resin from pine trees with round, long needles, so, I think like a white pine or jack pine. Once you get the resin melted in really well-boiled water, you can later add pine needles and let that soak in the mix for a while, too. Add honey, if you have it. Oh, and make sure that there are no ants in the resin blobs because they can make it bitter. 

Somewhere along the line last night, I fell asleep during the journey and woke up to the alarm. After we were done, I went back to bed with the intention of sleeping in the forest by the cabin in the holler. I found a nice little spot that was covered in oak and maple leaves and started to sleep. But, before I fell asleep I was reminded by the woman who taught me about the skinning, which I had forgotten about completely from earlier, so I made a mental note to remember it this time. 

Also, when I quickly recapped it, I gathered that the v signs were for humans, yes, but also for not-humans. I'm putting my own spin on this... but like skinwalker-type creatures. I didn't see any, but that's what it felt like. The humans in the community have a healthy respect for the place, the but not-humans seem to want to push boundaries. 

So, a few things for those folks who live in the area... I'd like to know if wild cherry trees and white pine are common in that area? Also, I'd like to know if the skinning thing is valid, if anyone knows. 

Holly

Wow Holly, that is fantastic information you received! I mean, we might be able to create some of these - well I would try the cherry cough syrup but maybe not skinning squirrels  

I think it's interesting about the warning signs. I asked Gary and he said they could be something called "wairds" pronounced," ward," and they were used just as everyone noticed, to protect property or areas on the property. He said that they were used for both protection from human and non-humans - such as haints, and other things 'out there.' He said makers and other shaman types moved away from them as other people not knowledgeable in how to properly use them started using them, you ill see them still in use, there is still a practice of hanging blue bottles in trees  ( She knew that there could be a spell put in trees, and she was familiar from the time she was born with the way bottle trees kept evil spirits from coming into the house — by luring them inside the colored bottles, where they cannot get out again.~ Livvie, by Eudora Welty http://www.pagancentric.org/the-bottle-tree/) 

But as most people did not know how to properly work with energy, they really are pretty useless. 

The idea behind the warning signs is to trigger an energy or intent in repose when something threatening crosses the boundary or a human tries to do something stupid.  

Both cherry trees and  there are a lot of pines but I did find that there is a Long Leaf/needle pine native to South Carolina so that would put it in that region. Also, Gary confirmed what the woman told you about skinning the squirrels while still warm. He said it's really a pain if they aren't warm and you would have to pour boiling water over them to warm them back up if they had got cold. Also, it's really hard to get them in that state. 

I think we need to start a library of things we learn on these journeys, I'll think about how we can do that.

Lorrie

 

Thank you Jess for the outline. I'm wondering if people can see places they want to work from it either based on their own previous interests or from guidance from the journey last night. 

Belle, Wow too! Do you think you could identify the plant if you saw it again? And I agree on the poverty/prejudice view - it's all a matter of perception and it's something that needs to be changed to see the wealth that's out there.

Holly, I'm sure I saw the same man. He was underneath there was a kind of hollowed out entry going under the tree. It was well worn under a really big root and appeared almost like a cave entrance (but it was a tree). There was obv. no light down there and so he was dark and obscured by shadow. He may have had an old leather hat but you couldn't see his face. He was motioning to come down and enter under the tree and as you did, everything would start to change. I don't think you could stay there long, but he did and never leaves.

You'd be spot on about the skinning. As close to immediate as possible after a hunt or slaughter of any animal, that is when you want to process it. You don't want to be dealing with cold dead whole animals. When we used to raise rabbits, after removing the head, you'd immediately hold/hang them upside down to get the blood out. The heart is still beating so it will do the work. Then you can do the gutting and skinning. And after a few select cuts, the pelt can be almost peeled off like a tight glove. Now you can remove the meat and other and it is suitable for storage/refrigeration (or eating right away) in your fry or stew. You also have to do some work pretty quick on the pelt if you are going to save those. Everything living dies and decays. If you're going to eat it, you want it as close to alive as possible because that's where the life/prana is (just like with plants). And the same is true for preserving any other parts you intend to keep (skin/bones). I've heard of people that tan and utilize pelts/fur from roadkill for ethical reasons, but that has got to be a lot of work and may involve additional steps.

Lorrie,

1 hour ago, silenceseeker said:

I mean, we might be able to create some of these - well I would try the cherry cough syrup but maybe not skinning squirrels

Yeah, I'm intrigued about the pine cough syrup, especially, as I don't feel confident that I could really determine a wild cherry tree in winter now. I know you can scrape and taste the bark of a cherry tree and it's supposed to taste like cherry, but I would rather wait until spring/summer when I could better identify it. But, white pine, that I'm familiar with, and I think I will see just what kind of a sticky mess I can make.

 

1 hour ago, silenceseeker said:

I did find that there is a Long Leaf/needle pine native to South Carolina so that would put it in that region

Do you remember the actual name of that pine? I wonder if it's in my area, though, it might be too cold here. I knew this project was going to be a bit of a challenge for me. When I work w/my ancestors about getting recipes, I am already somewhat familiar with the plants and herbs they are using and talking about because we are working with the same genius loci. This is requiring me to be a lot more attentive to the finer details... lol

 

1 hour ago, silenceseeker said:

Also, Gary confirmed what the woman told you about skinning the squirrels while still warm.

Ok, ty for verification... and gross. But, I guess, you know? I was thinking about this... wondering why she would tell me this info? Yesterday, when I was with the Chinese herbalist, he was talking about how the younger generations of folks just want Western pills and not so much herbs nowadays. But, because they aren't able to get Western pills right now because supplies are really scarce, they are coming to him for herbs. So, it's like this weird juxtaposition of folks who are 'modernized/Westernized' and don't really know the old ways who are coming for old ways because they have to. And, so I was wondering why folks who come to that woman and barter bring cold dead squirrels... why don't they know to skin them for her?  But, maybe it's the same kind of thing... maybe she started having more folks who maybe didn't hunt as much start coming to her for healing work, and that skinning knowledge was starting to get lost as common knowledge. I mean, I don't know, that's just an idea, but I'm not sure that info was meant for me to be taken at face value, as I don't have any interest in skinning dead animals right now.  

Matthew,

29 minutes ago, MatthewH said:

Holly, I'm sure I saw the same man.

I didn't so much see the man, as I *smelled* him. It's hard to explain, but, essentially, I felt his energy. For that guy, it seems you are very intrigued by him and maybe you have something to learn from him. But if the space isn't safe for you, maybe try throwing a book and pen down there for him to write and throw back when he's done? Or maybe some kind of recording device, or maybe a two tin cans w/string and see if you can communicate from your respective places? Just thoughts, you may have your own ideas, of course.

Holly

@holly To me it looks like the skinning part is about understanding the fire element, how heat facilitates movement and how to understand the right moment to act with it before things gets too cold and then you have to work against the grain. You have to make things easier for yourself by finding the opportune moment. It is about life and death too and since you have deathwalker abilities it could help you understand that energy better, life/death, hot/cold.

C

Thanks Lorrie, you really set us up for some learnin’ 😊 

What a grand suggestion Belle and thanks for the quick set up Jess. You people are on a roll.

Thanks to Gary for confirmation about the wairds and Matthew, the man under the tree .... reminds me of Doss' southwestern based books - Charlie Moon's Aunt Daisy Perika is a crotchity old Ute woman with "prophetic dreams and supernatural intuition". She often barters food for knowledge with a foul smelling pitikupf, a familiar? depicted as a tiny smelly really antagonistic little man who lives in a badger hole under a tree. LOL (Also, hunters pack deer hides with salt to keep them until they can get to the tanner.)

Holly I got that sense too "she didn't have the heart to express her exasperation". She had/has a heavy heart, like too much knowing and she rocked back and forth a lot, in a chair, while crouching and even when sitting motionless her energy was fluid, like melting into a breeze blowing by but you’d wonder where she found the time. Very busy, always something to do. Chewing on the end of a particular type of grass while listening was a habit of hers.

            Sorry I did not ask what type of grass. Dang

She listened and listened and then would listen some more. She “listened” to all the elements for information on when to seed, plant, harvest, and put to bed. I saw her listening to shadows ( thanks for confirmation Matthew) and voices in the rustles. Instinctual rather than consciously intentional, if that makes sense. To her it was like, oh I just had a moment of “knowing” only she’d never put it into words.

At the boiling pot … she was standing there and it looked like she was enhaling the knowledge (from the steam) of whatever mixture was there? It was more than confirming the mixture was a good mix or in the right amounts… Maybe it was a new plant she was working with. Time seemed to stop while I watched her, that’s why I feel it was more than logical knowledge type stuff.

She was a forager and left little energetic footprint, I thought at first, looking at it again it’s as if she did leave a footprint but it was so in alignment as to be invisible? Her presence there was a long-standing relationship type thing and she was permitted mistakes that others would not have been.

The singing…. Taking only the plants that were not in song. … that seemed opposite to what I was thinking would be the way but I did not question, took her word for it – she’s the granny witch and my thought, “it’s not polite to interrupt a song” seemed like me wishing something onto it that wasn’t there.

What struck me was the ability to live in both worlds yet considered it as one and normal. It feels like she would laugh at our analysis, maybe even consider us fools but it would never have been spoken about.

The space (house and surrounding area) itself seemed to be a holding space for granny witch knowledge from all over and different time eras. Felt open to serious study of plants, the elements and other energetics is secondary to the plants.

 

I think the other energy I encountered was maker, the one that asked that we remove the pathway. She/he seemed to stay on the perimeter, watching, witnessing? She/he could see the layers and make connections globally. Commonalities and patterns. She/he knew the pathways (like the well) that connected to outside dimensions/time/knowledge. No idea why she/he was there but it wasn’t a “visiting” thing.

This was the energy that also told me the fog was for cleansing and detachment. Or maybe that was just Christian thinking out loud when he discovered it 😮 (can't be dismissed, we are aware of each other out there).  She/he was more interested in the coming and goings within the granny witch “space”, the intents, connections, the “goings on” that were in the granny witch’s awareness but not consciously.

 

Could this granny witch have a thread of a maker? 😀 Was I seeing her split? Was she unknowingly using maker methods? Or was it indeed 2 different energies? Maybe this lady was one of the threads making up our Lorrie ? 

Fun and love reading everyone's descriptions!

 

@cyfnos Oh, man, thanks for this insight! It feels really right, and I'm going to spend some time with this, as she was pretty adamant about me remembering it. 

H

Hi All - Lorrie and Jess, thank you for taking us on this journey and setting up the whole experience. It is all pretty incredible and I'm still getting 'back'! I feel a little weird about sharing this as I don't know anything about granny witches but this is what my experience was.

Lorrie, the words you used to describe their life - bitter and difficult - felt immediately familiar and then when you said the word rust - I could taste it in not just in my mouth but in my whole body. I tried to be guided by that sensation.

When I got to the cabin by the well, I felt my grandmother’s presence so strongly my heart began to race. I think she may be like a granny witch but from North Korea. They had to have immense will to survive war, cold weather and multiple famines, tyranny, just to stay alive and to keep the family together. And I sort of recall stories about how she was connected to plants - and that people came to her when they needed help. There really is so much more but I feel the main message I felt is she seems to be a friend of the granny witch.

She seemed to want me to know there is knowledge and wisdom in the plants growing in the wild meadow I planted in my small yard (while in a bit of a dream state) over the past few years: several varieties of sage, nettles, currants, wild rose, bay laurel, yarrow, mint, grapes, anemone, nasturtium, hellebore, all kinds of grasses, really so many more. I can barely remember planting them all. So maybe there is something to learn from them as we continue exploring.

And then I had this dream afterwards about a dandelion. I was a like a dandelion seed blown by the wind from another continent that landed here. It’s like  a message or reminder that the human experience of suffering and survival is the same no matter where we come from.

And for squirrels - I did not notice them in this journey, but I know their tails make really good paint brushes!

4 hours ago, silenceseeker said:

I think we need to start a library of things we learn on these journeys, I'll think about how we can do that.

Lorrie

 

I will do the log for this first meet and will send it to you.

C

I ended up talking with the granny witch a bit. First I was looking at a plant and thought "comfrey" and she leaned over and said "boneset". @housecatI took it to mean 2 different names for the same plant. Which I think is true in our reality too. She flashed a picture in my mind of the young girl she was making the poultice for. Then she talked (well flashed more pictures in my mind) a bit about how sometimes she focuses on a person's emotional place to try to help them. Basically that our emotions affect us physically and our physical state affects us emotionally. Said she frequently uses a tonic to help their 'constitution', she varies it according to the person. Much of the time she starts with a plant she showed me: tiny white flowers like lily of the valley, slender leaves longer than lotv leaves, growing on the side of a stream. I didn't recognize the plant and haven't found it yet. She also showed me a plant with pretty small blue flowers she sometimes uses. It said it was a shooting star, which is a plant here, maybe in Appalachia. She said I should hang with those plants and get to know them better, which i did.

The last thing she said was that none of this stuff works alone, she needs plants and trees, and animals, and water , and earth, and how they all work together. Some of it was "If you take this plant when the robins are hatching its good for this. But if you take it when the maples turn, it's good for that". Mostly she was very keen on watching the energy patterns of 'everything' and the energy patterns of who was looking for help and using those to determine what would help the most. 

She looked short and wiry to me, with a housedress and an apron. 

I saw a 'forest creature' He was human-like and human size, tall and wiry, leathery skin. He said he was a bogart. I told him all the bogarts I knew were short and stubby. He seemed a little miffed. 

 

15 hours ago, Belle said:

Exploring the place made me realized how the word poverty is very racist kind of word, we equate the word with lack of material things but truly those people are rich, I can see how they can summon the earth to give them something they need, its a place of power, the earth is magical

This is really true, but it's a hard hard life.

Good to know about squirrel tails, Arlene, that might be personally useful to me  I really like hearing everyone's experiences, so much good stuff.

Byron Ballard might be a good source for a real life granny witch https://www.myvillagewitch.com/ 

4 minutes ago, cheri said:

Much of the time she starts with a plant she showed me: tiny white flowers like lily of the valley, slender leaves longer than lotv leaves, growing on the side of a stream. I didn't recognize the plant and haven't found it yet.

Looks like we both saw the same flower , I propose we set a dreaming intent to find it together if you are ok with that. Just let me know when you would like to try it we could do it in sleep dream first we just have to make sure we dream it the same night.

I tried to recap it and I got really high, it was fun, I am wondering if it is white poppy lol.

C

Now reading all your posts not sure if we went to the same place

@Lorrie, I keep on searching in the internet, it was like grass shrubs, it resemble mostly to lemon grass but the seeds is the one I'm still looking it was hard coated seed and when I search on the internet I keep on bumping to cannabis plant..

@ Cheri, its true, a hard life indeed but its because we have the perception from the city life where money is the currency that makes thing easier. Being grown up and work on farming in my childhood, I didn't have perspective of 'hard' that time coz I didn't know there is outside world where money comes easy. I went outside of that form of living and keep moving to city and now to another country and working as accountant but not really sure whether farming is hard or my position right now is harder. The more I get away from the earth elements the more I become disconnected with it.. So the journey yesterday was really a reminder of me that nature does provide if we only know how to communicate with them and I saw how the earth provides as if it is constantly feeding to her children..sorry bit off topic

But my take away yesterday is; intent whatever we plant and whatever purpose but in a good soil.  And a addendum.. have purpose that is not commercial driven because it seems they are adamant of people walking and searching for knowledge and brought that knowledge into the world and made it a big business 

 

2 hours ago, Belle said:

But my take away yesterday is; intent whatever we plant and whatever purpose but in a good soil.  And a addendum.. have purpose that is not commercial driven because it seems they are adamant of people walking and searching for knowledge and brought that knowledge into the world and made it a big business 

Belle, wonder if that's the reasoning behind removing the energetic path to the place. It was very forceful and specific in the intent of keeping that sort of thing out of the space. Like the outcome of any personal intent of people arriving there needed to be such that the environment and energy especially would remain intact and clear.

I was meditating this evening and kept being pulled away by some emotions around issues I am having with my parents right now. Some guilt and resentment about not being with them now as they are both very old. So I decided to recap this right away. After a while I didn't feel like I was getting anywhere with it so I decided to shift gears and try recapping my visit to the holler as @silenceseekerhad recommended.

Well I went back to the tree and the hollowed out passage under the large root. The man was standing down there in the darkness just looking up at me and waiting, with absolutely no urgency at all. I went down under the root and entered under the tree. As I was down there I merged into the soil and roots. I didn't dissolve but became more intertwined with the earth just as fine roots intertwine with the soil. Communicating, sharing, witnessing. As I swept with my breath I began to see my parents intertwined in the earth too. First my father, then my mother. They were alive but with closed eyes and as if buried there. Then I began to see other members of my family. Siblings, Grandparents. All twisted long like roots in the soil.

I left the tree and went out into the misty woods looking for the woman. I could not find her but I did find the cut on my arm that I received during the Journey. When I looked this time, it was a cut that I gave myself in my teens. It was from a time when I used to harm myself with knives and broken glass.

All of this was most unexpected. I thought we were going to find some plants and shit!

4 hours ago, cheri said:

First I was looking at a plant and thought "comfrey" and she leaned over and said "boneset".

That’s interesting because I saw her point out comfrey to me but it was definitely comfrey w/little blue flowers. She grabbed some leaves and started rolling them between her hands and then tasted it, which I thought was weird, but upon further investigation, found out that people did indeed eat comfrey leaves more often and not just as a medicinal remedy. Sometimes comfrey is referred to as  boneset, but apparently it’s a different plant. I had never heard of it. Looks like it would have been an important plant to have around.   
 

Backing up a bit, that was a high energy trip! (Thank you Lorrie and Jess!) Unfortunately I could only stay for 5 mins or so b/c I was working. And after stopping and coming back I found it very difficult to concentrate on work 😅 The granny witch presented like a Baba Yaga to me, a lot of energy which she graciously toned down. She even gave me a hug (watch out for those hugs!). The house had a lot of energy too - alive even. And the land!!! Spent most of that short time outside. Something I experienced was a communion w/the animals in the area. It felt like maybe that was important to maintaining harmony. I also experienced some big rocks in the surrounds. 
 

 

https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/eupatorium-perfoliatum/
 

https://www.permaculturenews.org/2019/07/26/all-about-comfrey/

https://monicawilde.com/is-comfrey-edible/

 

 

6 minutes ago, MatthewH said:

I didn't dissolve but became more intertwined with the earth just as fine roots intertwine with the soil. Communicating, sharing, witnessing. As I swept with my breath I began to see my parents intertwined in the earth too. First my father, then my mother. They were alive but with closed eyes and as if buried there. Then I began to see other members of my family. Siblings, Grandparents. All twisted long like roots in the soil.

 
That’s beautiful, Matthew.

14 hours ago, cammie said:

 
That’s beautiful, Matthew.

Thanks! 😀

On 12/16/2022 at 1:55 PM, cyfnos said:

Looks like we both saw the same flower , I propose we set a dreaming intent to find it together if you are ok with that. Just let me know when you would like to try it we could do it in sleep dream first we just have to make sure we dream it the same night.

I tried to recap it and I got really high, it was fun, I am wondering if it is white poppy lol.

I would like to try that. Tho I'm not sure what I saw was a crocus... maybe a snowdrop? If you still want to try, yes let's do it in sleep dreaming first.

 

@Belle I agree with you that being closer to the source of what you need doesn't necessarily mean harder, I really feel that. 

 

@cammie That is interesting! Thanks for the links. The plant I saw looks like the pictures of comfrey in your links. Maybe she wasn't naming the plant, but saying what she was using it for at that moment?

22 hours ago, Jean said:

Belle, wonder if that's the reasoning behind removing the energetic path to the place. It was very forceful and specific in the intent of keeping that sort of thing out of the space. Like the outcome of any personal intent of people arriving there needed to be such that the environment and energy especially would remain intact and clear.

Yes I believe it so Jean, they are somehow protecting the knowledge and they are willing to share them to people who have authentic intent.

@Matthew I'm glad

 

On 12/16/2022 at 11:53 AM, Jean said:

She listened and listened and then would listen some more. She “listened” to all the elements for information on when to seed, plant, harvest, and put to bed. I saw her listening to shadows ( thanks for confirmation Matthew) and voices in the rustles. Instinctual rather than consciously intentional, if that makes sense. To her it was like, oh I just had a moment of “knowing” only she’d never put it into words.

@Jean This is such a good description of her energy, in general, with her being that connected. Thanks for writing this out, as you did... and the other one I mentioned to you earlier.

On 12/16/2022 at 12:08 PM, Arlene said:

And then I had this dream afterwards about a dandelion. I was a like a dandelion seed blown by the wind from another continent that landed here. It’s like  a message or reminder that the human experience of suffering and survival is the same no matter where we come from.

@Arlene This is a beautiful image, and thanks for sharing your experience and how it connects to you.

On 12/16/2022 at 3:33 PM, Belle said:

But my take away yesterday is; intent whatever we plant and whatever purpose but in a good soil.

@Belle This is some great advice.

@MatthewH I love that you went back to the roots and had the experience you did, with the insight and healing. Really happy for you!

 

H

On 12/16/2022 at 11:46 AM, cheri said:

tiny white flowers like lily of the valley, slender leaves longer than lotv leaves, growing on the side of a stream. I didn't recognize the plant and haven't found it yet.

@cheri Allium triquetrum (3 cornered leek) comes to mind based on your description. I’m always perplexed with how to find names of plants I encounter in the wild and I guess it’s even more challenging in a journey like this. If anything, I guess it gives us practice to try describing things in words.

I’m still amazed by the whole experience and maybe even more so after reading everyone’s unique experiences here. Thank you everyone 🙏